Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:19 am Post subject: Selling Out
Everyone ahs a diffrent opinion of when a band sells out. A band has definatly sold out if they have made action figures. Im iffy on music videos. It can be a good way to promote your band or it can be a way to get cash. If you music video has a good message along with it, thats not selling out, it's informing people. But if it's about ridin' or being a pimp in a club, then they're just doing it for the money. Post your thoughts on selling out.
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:29 am Post subject: Re: Selling Out
KitLo wrote:
Everyone ahs a diffrent opinion of when a band sells out. A band has definatly sold out if they have made action figures. Im iffy on music videos. It can be a good way to promote your band or it can be a way to get cash. If you music video has a good message along with it, thats not selling out, it's informing people. But if it's about ridin' or being a pimp in a club, then they're just doing it for the money. Post your thoughts on selling out.
I think that selling out is when an artist starts losing artistic intergrity and then tries new music based on what they think will sell. I would also like to hear what others think selling out is or is not.
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:38 pm Post subject: Are mohauks fashionable?
LeergutGott wrote:
I think the best example for selling out is Gwen stefani with her new hip hop style .I never heard bullshit like that before.
Speaking of bad fashion and or selling out. Is it me or are mohauks now fashionable? What I find strange about it is that most people that I see with them or bands that have them aren't even punk. I just have to say once again that I hate fads.
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Yeah, I hate how singners are trying to do a hip-hop style thing to fit in. Or how bands are changing there look to emo. Like Three Days Grace, the singer used to have a mohawk, now look at it. Jet black, in front of one eye. But they havn't changed there type of music, just there image. Or the band Lost Prophets, they kinda had a skater/bmxer image. I don't realy listen to these bands, but still. So is changing an image to fit in with times selling out?
I agree with Mr. Admin, selling out is when a band stops making music to make music and start making music to sell records. Wanting to sell records and get your music out there is one thing, but tailoring your music to sell to the masses, that is selling out. Example: all those bands that don't write their own music and have professional writers and mixers create the music that they play.
As for Mohawks, it is not the mowak that is becoming fashionable, it is this new idea of mainstream punk. It is the MTV watchers listening to Yellowcard, thinking that is punk, and giving their 2 year olds mohawks. I used to want a hawk so bad, until I looked at all the morons with them who think they are just the shit. Now don't get me wrong, they are "cool" and everything, but they were meant to make a statement against the mainstream, now they are mainstream.
Wanting to sell records and get your music out there is one thing, but tailoring your music to sell to the masses, that is selling out. Example: all those bands that don't write their own music and have professional writers and mixers create the music that they play.
but they were meant to make a statement against the mainstream, now they are mainstream.
I think you made two excellent points. The first is that when a band tries to sell to the masses instead of maintaning artistic integrety it is selling out. The second is that mohawks were designed to shake up society and change societies outlook. They were not invented as a tool for conformity. It is a sad thing to see when artists are more concerned about selling their records then conveying a message with a new style of music that may or may not work. I for one, never thought mohawks would become popular. I especially didn't forsee mohawks becoming mainstream.
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:08 am Post subject: Re: Are mohauks fashionable?
admin wrote:
LeergutGott wrote:
I think the best example for selling out is Gwen stefani with her new hip hop style .I never heard bullshit like that before.
Speaking of bad fashion and or selling out. Is it me or are mohauks now fashionable? What I find strange about it is that most people that I see with them or bands that have them aren't even punk. I just have to say once again that I hate fads.
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My slightly fruity former boss sported a faux hawk..the "man lookin pretty thing". I think fashion is selling out the whole punk thing. Even "Chunky Chips A Hoy, Oi! Oi!" with clay punk guys in London. With some kind of rip-off of "Blizkrieg Bop" But man, when I see a big ol' mohawk I can't help myself but to be distracted. But only on the truest of punks.
Selling out, when the music starts to change too much. When their image is more important that who they are & where they came from. But afterall, these musicians have been working at what they've done for a long time. Tim Armstrong helping Pink write songs. Travis Barker's clothing line. It's not like they're like the modern day popstars. If one of my friends won the lottery or something I wouldn't think they sold out. But they better make damn sure they hook me up.
I can't even think of any punk bands that are headed by young people. Ultimately I think they worked for what they have. And why hate on them for that, unless of course their music totally sucks now. _________________ -Eat The Rich-
I can think of only one punk band headed by young people at the moment and that band is Anti-Flag. Well young in my opinion. Faux hauks is a good name for that mohauk style. I was personally naming them fake hauks because you could change the style at a whim instead of having the hair shaved on the sides. Liberty spikes are my favorite type of mohauk style since they are the hardest to change back and maintain. Plus they definitely catch a persons attention and screams, "I don't give a fuck what you think." To me, the biggest indicator of selling out is, going to emo for your music style. Just when you thought your artist was doing bad he then goes emo. Always a let down.
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Damn! How does that work? By the time you go to bed and wake up the A in Anarchy is all fucked up. Than again, if your that hard core, maybe you wouldn't care what it looks like in the morning? _________________ "If you always think what you always thought, you'll always get what you always got!"
i just joined this forum after looking for some good punk rawk online radio. nice to see some intelligent discussion about punk. i've been disturbed for a long time about how punk is more about a fashion trend and less about PUNK for kids these days. spoiled little brats from the suburb who all shop at hot topic (instead of DIY or thrift like i grew up doing) and their mommies buy them MAC makeup telling other kids that they aren't "punk rock". on the flip side, i'm glad to see it's more accessable and alive and thriving.
the whole notion of "selling out" is a tricky one i think. for instance, i don't think weird al yankovich has ever sold out because everything he does is himself. he even plays county fairs and updates his own myspace page. i believe that you sell out when you do anything that someone else or society wants you to do that is against your personality. or what i call "selling your soul to the devil".
music is a business and if you wanna stay in it you have to make some business decisions. i think when bands make decisions that further them as artists and give them more opportunities to express themselves, and get their music/message out to more people it's ok... as long as they are truly portraying themselves.
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