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| KitLo |
Selling OutEveryone ahs a diffrent opinion of when a band sells out. A band has definatly sold out if they have made action figures. Im iffy on music videos. It can be a good way to promote your band or it can be a way to get cash. If you music video has a good message along with it, thats not selling out, it's informing people. But if it's about ridin' or being a pimp in a club, then they're just doing it for the money. Post your thoughts on selling out. |
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| admin |
Re: Selling Out
I think that selling out is when an artist starts losing artistic intergrity and then tries new music based on what they think will sell. I would also like to hear what others think selling out is or is not. Admin |
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| LeergutGott |
I think the best example for selling out is Gwen stefani with her new hip hop style .I never heard bullshit like that before. | ||||
| admin |
Are mohauks fashionable?
Speaking of bad fashion and or selling out. Is it me or are mohauks now fashionable? What I find strange about it is that most people that I see with them or bands that have them aren't even punk. I just have to say once again that I hate fads. 
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| KitLo |
Yeah, I hate how singners are trying to do a hip-hop style thing to fit in. Or how bands are changing there look to emo. Like Three Days Grace, the singer used to have a mohawk, now look at it. Jet black, in front of one eye. But they havn't changed there type of music, just there image. Or the band Lost Prophets, they kinda had a skater/bmxer image. I don't realy listen to these bands, but still. So is changing an image to fit in with times selling out? | ||||
| cbpunk |
I agree with Mr. Admin, selling out is when a band stops making music to make music and start making music to sell records. Wanting to sell records and get your music out there is one thing, but tailoring your music to sell to the masses, that is selling out. Example: all those bands that don't write their own music and have professional writers and mixers create the music that they play.
As for Mohawks, it is not the mowak that is becoming fashionable, it is this new idea of mainstream punk. It is the MTV watchers listening to Yellowcard, thinking that is punk, and giving their 2 year olds mohawks. I used to want a hawk so bad, until I looked at all the morons with them who think they are just the shit. Now don't get me wrong, they are "cool" and everything, but they were meant to make a statement against the mainstream, now they are mainstream. Sorry for my ranting. |
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| admin |
I think you made two excellent points. The first is that when a band tries to sell to the masses instead of maintaning artistic integrety it is selling out. The second is that mohawks were designed to shake up society and change societies outlook. They were not invented as a tool for conformity. It is a sad thing to see when artists are more concerned about selling their records then conveying a message with a new style of music that may or may not work. I for one, never thought mohawks would become popular. I especially didn't forsee mohawks becoming mainstream. 
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| ignoresociety |
Re: Are mohauks fashionable?
My slightly fruity former boss sported a faux hawk..the "man lookin pretty thing". I think fashion is selling out the whole punk thing. Even "Chunky Chips A Hoy, Oi! Oi!" with clay punk guys in London. With some kind of rip-off of "Blizkrieg Bop" But man, when I see a big ol' mohawk I can't help myself but to be distracted. But only on the truest of punks. Selling out, when the music starts to change too much. When their image is more important that who they are & where they came from. But afterall, these musicians have been working at what they've done for a long time. Tim Armstrong helping Pink write songs. Travis Barker's clothing line. It's not like they're like the modern day popstars. If one of my friends won the lottery or something I wouldn't think they sold out. But they better make damn sure they hook me up. I can't even think of any punk bands that are headed by young people. Ultimately I think they worked for what they have. And why hate on them for that, unless of course their music totally sucks now. |
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| admin |
I can think of only one punk band headed by young people at the moment and that band is Anti-Flag. Well young in my opinion. Faux hauks is a good name for that mohauk style. I was personally naming them fake hauks because you could change the style at a whim instead of having the hair shaved on the sides. Liberty spikes are my favorite type of mohauk style since they are the hardest to change back and maintain. Plus they definitely catch a persons attention and screams, "I don't give a fuck what you think." To me, the biggest indicator of selling out is, going to emo for your music style. Just when you thought your artist was doing bad he then goes emo.  Always a let down.
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| KitLo |
Speaking of Mo-hawks I found this on the NOFX website, they put under it Killer Mohawk. I agree.
http://www.nofx.org/photos/borejournal/img/mohawk.jpg |
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| ignoresociety |
I wish I had the guts to do that. That is a killer mohawk. |
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| P4PGeek |
reDamn! How does that work? By the time you go to bed and wake up the A in Anarchy is all fucked up. Than again, if your that hard core, maybe you wouldn't care what it looks like in the morning? |
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| porkisgood |
i just joined this forum after looking for some good punk rawk online radio. nice to see some intelligent discussion about punk. i've been disturbed for a long time about how punk is more about a fashion trend and less about PUNK for kids these days. spoiled little brats from the suburb who all shop at hot topic (instead of DIY or thrift like i grew up doing) and their mommies buy them MAC makeup telling other kids that they aren't "punk rock". on the flip side, i'm glad to see it's more accessable and alive and thriving.
the whole notion of "selling out" is a tricky one i think. for instance, i don't think weird al yankovich has ever sold out because everything he does is himself. he even plays county fairs and updates his own myspace page. i believe that you sell out when you do anything that someone else or society wants you to do that is against your personality. or what i call "selling your soul to the devil". music is a business and if you wanna stay in it you have to make some business decisions. i think when bands make decisions that further them as artists and give them more opportunities to express themselves, and get their music/message out to more people it's ok... as long as they are truly portraying themselves. and yah.. gwen stefani.. i dunno about her..! |
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| KitLo |
Did Gwen Stafani used to be in a ska band?! | ||||
| porkisgood |
yep. she was a HUGE madness fan and says that she was really into ska when she was growing up. | ||||
| chronnox |
i think the best example of selling out is AFI i mean why a band that used to play songs about a little kid getting a mohawk then start doing videos on the snow and the vocalist all dress like m.manson. | ||||
| admin |
I would have to agree with you. A.F.I. sounds more alternative than punk by far nowadays. I would not consider any of their newer work punk that I have heard. Which is sad to see a band throw a bitch on their fans like that. Oh well I was never really a hugh fan anyways.
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| KitLo |
I saw an interveiw with them and the singer acualy admitted to not playing punk anymore. So at least he realises that. Now people call them an emo band, when didnt they used to be called like Goth Punk or something? | ||||
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| CamboSoup |
I think any band that is selling merchandise at Hot Topic is a sell out. idk if its the bands doing it or the labels and contracts they r under, but if they r selling something in a trendy store that every other "rocker" buys stuff in, then i think it is for the money.
p.s. gwen stafani was in no doubt. she used to be awsome. i love her work with sublime in "Saw Red" and AFI is a great example of selling out |
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| KitLo |
hot topic is pretty poser. a whole bunch of people trying to be "cool" wear those realy tight jeans from there. | ||||
| Ateo |
I think a band sells out when it does things only for the money. Signing to a corporate label isn't *IF* and only *IF* they are doing it for distribution purposes only. Once a band gives up their creativity and allows the record industry suits to influence or control them, they have sold out.
I think age has a lot to do with it as well. Older people tend to want money while kids are simply out to have fun and slam in the pit as much as possible. |
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| YQG |
There are great huge exceptions to this. Bad Religion being the biggest one. Are you going to fuck with Bad Religion over money? Or Jello... he ran for mayor of Frisco, for fucksake, to try and make things better. Not all geezers are out there for the money. You can't een really say John Lydon was out there for the money... at least he tried PiL and didn't ride the Pistols legacy for decades. How about the NOFX gang? If you sell out, yo're fucked. Your core audience is going to abandon you for witnessing your selling out and the mainstream audience won't really care. Unless you're super-exceptional and change genres anyway, or cross-over, if you sell out, you're doomed. If you sell out you -have- to change to be accepted and you don't really count as part of us anymore. Sellouts are lepers as soon as they realise what they have to do to stay in the mainstream. And when they do it... they aren't punks anymore. They're crossovers; not pure. =D |
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| admin |
Couldn't agree with you more. Once your fans see that you have changed your music usually they will abandon the band. Just like afi. |
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| exe |
I made a musicvideo about selling out.
Not exactly punk music but a hot topic nonetheless. http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/2/27/2341557/last%20dj.avi yeah also this is my first post on the board - listened to the radio station for a long time. |
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| Deputy God |
I guess it's a bit off topic but Hot Topic does offer a place for emo goth sell-out rich kids to gather and stay out of my way. They provide a service. All hail Hot topic. | ||||
| admin |
very true
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| Deputy God |
The Green Day sell out is archetypical. Fifteen years ago they were great, I'd have put them up with Operation Ivy....my mom just went to their show last night to listen to whatever their new mtv ballad is called. She's a hard-core religious right-winger. I think I just threw up in my mouth. | ||||
| Deputy God |
Just to expand on my point about Green Day here is the e-mail mom sent back to me (from her blackberry) when I asked her how the show was (Mom is a young 55):
'Sorry it took so long to reply I forgot my phone at home today because I didn't get home until 1:30-had to leave for work at 7:00. The show was perfection it really couldn't have been any better. They seemed to love the audience and really could not have done anything better. They are an awsome band and I very rarely use the word "awesome" but is apies to them. The fan club texted me at the last minute and gave us four free tickets so I was able to give them to this guy who us training our horse whose Dad killed himself last year and he's messed up (flattened affect, no eye contact, etc.) He is a cowboy (20 yrs old) but has a band and loves Greenday and their ilk. He cried (literally) when I gave him the tickets. It was nice to be able to give them to someone who really really appreciated them. How did your day go today?' Mom is cool, I love her, and it's great that the girl is still getting to shows. But Green Day? They ought to tour with David Coverdale and Jimmy Page next. I'm sending her some NOFX and Screeching Weasel songs... |
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