i think the best example of selling out is AFI i mean why a band that used to play songs about a little kid getting a mohawk then start doing videos on the snow and the vocalist all dress like m.manson.
I would have to agree with you. A.F.I. sounds more alternative than punk by far nowadays. I would not consider any of their newer work punk that I have heard. Which is sad to see a band throw a bitch on their fans like that. Oh well I was never really a hugh fan anyways.
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I saw an interveiw with them and the singer acualy admitted to not playing punk anymore. So at least he realises that. Now people call them an emo band, when didnt they used to be called like Goth Punk or something?
I saw an interveiw with them and the singer acualy admitted to not playing punk anymore. So at least he realises that. Now people call them an emo band, when didnt they used to be called like Goth Punk or something?
I got to admit if I was to guess any punk band to sell out it would be AFI. I just started to like the guys(well at least their older music) when I saw them and goth punk definitly fit the description. Then their music went to shit(silver and cold). But p4p is still going to play their old stuff because music is music it doesn't really matter if their new stuff sucks its whether or not the old stuff is good enough to be played. Unless they said punk rock sucks I wouldn't stop playing their old stuff.
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I think any band that is selling merchandise at Hot Topic is a sell out. idk if its the bands doing it or the labels and contracts they r under, but if they r selling something in a trendy store that every other "rocker" buys stuff in, then i think it is for the money.
p.s. gwen stafani was in no doubt. she used to be awsome. i love her work with sublime in "Saw Red" and AFI is a great example of selling out
I think a band sells out when it does things only for the money. Signing to a corporate label isn't *IF* and only *IF* they are doing it for distribution purposes only. Once a band gives up their creativity and allows the record industry suits to influence or control them, they have sold out.
I think age has a lot to do with it as well. Older people tend to want money while kids are simply out to have fun and slam in the pit as much as possible.
I think age has a lot to do with it as well. Older people tend to want money while kids are simply out to have fun and slam in the pit as much as possible.
There are great huge exceptions to this. Bad Religion being the biggest one. Are you going to fuck with Bad Religion over money? Or Jello... he ran for mayor of Frisco, for fucksake, to try and make things better. Not all geezers are out there for the money. You can't een really say John Lydon was out there for the money... at least he tried PiL and didn't ride the Pistols legacy for decades.
How about the NOFX gang?
If you sell out, yo're fucked. Your core audience is going to abandon you for witnessing your selling out and the mainstream audience won't really care. Unless you're super-exceptional and change genres anyway, or cross-over, if you sell out, you're doomed. If you sell out you -have- to change to be accepted and you don't really count as part of us anymore.
Sellouts are lepers as soon as they realise what they have to do to stay in the mainstream. And when they do it... they aren't punks anymore. They're crossovers; not pure. =D _________________ This message has been brought to you by the letters that constitute FISH CHIP.
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I think age has a lot to do with it as well. Older people tend to want money while kids are simply out to have fun and slam in the pit as much as possible.
There are great huge exceptions to this. Bad Religion being the biggest one. Are you going to fuck with Bad Religion over money? Or Jello... he ran for mayor of Frisco, for fucksake, to try and make things better. Not all geezers are out there for the money. You can't een really say John Lydon was out there for the money... at least he tried PiL and didn't ride the Pistols legacy for decades.
How about the NOFX gang?
If you sell out, yo're fucked. Your core audience is going to abandon you for witnessing your selling out and the mainstream audience won't really care. Unless you're super-exceptional and change genres anyway, or cross-over, if you sell out, you're doomed. If you sell out you -have- to change to be accepted and you don't really count as part of us anymore.
Sellouts are lepers as soon as they realise what they have to do to stay in the mainstream. And when they do it... they aren't punks anymore. They're crossovers; not pure. =D
Couldn't agree with you more. Once your fans see that you have changed your music usually they will abandon the band. Just like afi.
I guess it's a bit off topic but Hot Topic does offer a place for emo goth sell-out rich kids to gather and stay out of my way. They provide a service. All hail Hot topic.
I guess it's a bit off topic but Hot Topic does offer a place for emo goth sell-out rich kids to gather and stay out of my way. They provide a service. All hail Hot topic.
The Green Day sell out is archetypical. Fifteen years ago they were great, I'd have put them up with Operation Ivy....my mom just went to their show last night to listen to whatever their new mtv ballad is called. She's a hard-core religious right-winger. I think I just threw up in my mouth.
Just to expand on my point about Green Day here is the e-mail mom sent back to me (from her blackberry) when I asked her how the show was (Mom is a young 55):
'Sorry it took so long to reply I forgot my phone at home today because I didn't get home until 1:30-had to leave for work at 7:00. The show was perfection it really couldn't have been any better. They seemed to love the audience and really could not have done anything better. They are an awsome band and I very rarely use the word "awesome" but is apies to them. The fan club texted me at the last minute and gave us four free tickets so I was able to give them to this guy who us training our horse whose Dad killed himself last year and he's messed up (flattened affect, no eye contact, etc.) He is a cowboy (20 yrs old) but has a band and loves Greenday and their ilk. He cried (literally) when I gave him the tickets. It was nice to be able to give them to someone who really really appreciated them. How did your day go today?'
Mom is cool, I love her, and it's great that the girl is still getting to shows. But Green Day? They ought to tour with David Coverdale and Jimmy Page next. I'm sending her some NOFX and Screeching Weasel songs...
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very true